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Also Genie I'm curious with your game I wanna ask questions but I don't wanna reopen any old wounds or anything so I'll leave it for tomorrow. Happy to see you again though!!
 

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Jay wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:22:59 am
Jacob wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:19:15 am Narrows eyes
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I would have never have voted for you if you made it cuz of it, but you had everyone else's so it wouldn't have mattered
 

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Jay wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:30:03 am
Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:27:03 am
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I was also four five seconds from idoling him out instead of Tyler, so. He wasn’t 100% safe all the time. 
Looking back the move I should have said when you asked me is "this is your idol, tell me how YOU want to vote"... I was way too pushy on Tyler. Mistakes were made lol.
Actually I do have to know, where was the main origin of my name coming up that round? Was it Tyler? I thought possibly it could've been, but I dismissed the thought cause Tyler didn't seem to be getting any traction and had to do damage control with him.
From what I remember I heard your name from Lindsey first. Taylor had just been idoled out and so that round I really wanted badly to stick with the Rhodes people, particularly Ricard and Rachel (pseudo Rhodes)—I desperately wanted to make the Genie vote up to them—and I was even hoping I was somehow making friends with Lindsey in the process. I loved the idol play and told her so. So I asked her who she wanted to target, that I would target anyone, and eventually she suggested your name as the one person who was potentially targeting both of us. So I was like, sounds great, and I thought for sure Shirin would be on board—especially since Will had decided to focus all of his attention on Lindsey that round. But Shirin was not on board lol. She wanted to target Lindsey too and mostly due to an alliance I had formed with both Will and Shirin on OG maus, I ultimately flipped to voting with them.

At this point I definitely wish I hadn’t! Lol I don’t know now if the vote was ever truly directed at you Jay, or if it just seemed that way to me until I flip-flopped or what, but obviously if you or Wendell had gone that night instead of me I would have preferred it! No offense of course, you’re an awesome guy and had *Lindsey* actually gone that night instead of me you and I may have found ourselves working together shortly after, but it’s all good. And fwiw it was never like personal. Was just trying to do anything to stay alive at the time.
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Tyler wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:20:05 am
Jay wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:30:03 am
Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:27:03 am
Looking back the move I should have said when you asked me is "this is your idol, tell me how YOU want to vote"... I was way too pushy on Tyler. Mistakes were made lol.
Actually I do have to know, where was the main origin of my name coming up that round? Was it Tyler? I thought possibly it could've been, but I dismissed the thought cause Tyler didn't seem to be getting any traction and had to do damage control with him.
From what I remember I heard your name from Lindsey first. Taylor had just been idoled out and so that round I really wanted badly to stick with the Rhodes people, particularly Ricard and Rachel (pseudo Rhodes)—I desperately wanted to make the Genie vote up to them—and I was even hoping I was somehow making friends with Lindsey in the process. I loved the idol play and told her so. So I asked her who she wanted to target, that I would target anyone, and eventually she suggested your name as the one person who was potentially targeting both of us. So I was like, sounds great, and I thought for sure Shirin would be on board—especially since Will had decided to focus all of his attention on Lindsey that round. But Shirin was not on board lol. She wanted to target Lindsey too and mostly due to an alliance I had formed with both Will and Shirin on OG maus, I ultimately flipped to voting with them.

At this point I definitely wish I hadn’t! Lol I don’t know now if the vote was ever truly directed at you Jay, or if it just seemed that way to me until I flip-flopped or what, but obviously if you or Wendell had gone that night instead of me I would have preferred it! No offense of course, you’re an awesome guy and had *Lindsey* actually gone that night instead of me you and I may have found ourselves working together shortly after, but it’s all good. And fwiw it was never like personal. Was just trying to do anything to stay alive at the time.
That doesn't make sense. Cause I know for sure, I didn't want Jay out at that time. To be frank, I was never targeting him but def was targeting you, lol. I wonder if we were just talking generally about the argument at TC the night before or something? I feel like that would make more sense. That doesn't align at all with my game plan at the time lol. Or maybe it was from Will and it carried over and my name was in the mix. All that stuff was also jumbled up around the Genie vote. Or maybe I just blacked out :oop:
 

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^^Me being seriously confused. I feel like I never said Jay's name to anyone except telling Rachel to throw a safety vote on him. Lol
 

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Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:31:32 am
Tyler wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:20:05 am
Jay wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:30:03 am
Actually I do have to know, where was the main origin of my name coming up that round? Was it Tyler? I thought possibly it could've been, but I dismissed the thought cause Tyler didn't seem to be getting any traction and had to do damage control with him.
From what I remember I heard your name from Lindsey first. Taylor had just been idoled out and so that round I really wanted badly to stick with the Rhodes people, particularly Ricard and Rachel (pseudo Rhodes)—I desperately wanted to make the Genie vote up to them—and I was even hoping I was somehow making friends with Lindsey in the process. I loved the idol play and told her so. So I asked her who she wanted to target, that I would target anyone, and eventually she suggested your name as the one person who was potentially targeting both of us. So I was like, sounds great, and I thought for sure Shirin would be on board—especially since Will had decided to focus all of his attention on Lindsey that round. But Shirin was not on board lol. She wanted to target Lindsey too and mostly due to an alliance I had formed with both Will and Shirin on OG maus, I ultimately flipped to voting with them.

At this point I definitely wish I hadn’t! Lol I don’t know now if the vote was ever truly directed at you Jay, or if it just seemed that way to me until I flip-flopped or what, but obviously if you or Wendell had gone that night instead of me I would have preferred it! No offense of course, you’re an awesome guy and had *Lindsey* actually gone that night instead of me you and I may have found ourselves working together shortly after, but it’s all good. And fwiw it was never like personal. Was just trying to do anything to stay alive at the time.
That doesn't make sense. Cause I know for sure, I didn't want Jay out at that time. To be frank, I was never targeting him but def was targeting you, lol. I wonder if we were just talking generally about the argument at TC the night before or something? I feel like that would make more sense. That doesn't align at all with my game plan at the time lol. Or maybe it was from Will and it carried over and my name was in the mix. All that stuff was also jumbled up around the Genie vote. Or maybe I just blacked out :oop:
I mean it *does* make sense to me that you may have fed me Jay’s name as a decoy especially if you admit to also targeting me the whole time during this round. Jay was coming to me at the same time telling me that you and Ricard were pushing for me—I just wanted to believe you and Ricard at the time and wanted to work with you both to target another Crete boy. So I really did think it would have been Jay going home if I could have gotten Shirin to go along with that plan.  Perhaps that was not actually the case?? I just remember you and Ricard and even Erika saying that Jay was the vote until I couldn’t get Shirin to flip. And when I couldn’t get Shirin I think Erika flipped too. I assumed that’s when Ricard decided to use his idol on me. Was the truth that you both really were just targeting me the whole round?
 

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Tyler wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:19:13 am
Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:31:32 am
Tyler wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:20:05 am
From what I remember I heard your name from Lindsey first. Taylor had just been idoled out and so that round I really wanted badly to stick with the Rhodes people, particularly Ricard and Rachel (pseudo Rhodes)—I desperately wanted to make the Genie vote up to them—and I was even hoping I was somehow making friends with Lindsey in the process. I loved the idol play and told her so. So I asked her who she wanted to target, that I would target anyone, and eventually she suggested your name as the one person who was potentially targeting both of us. So I was like, sounds great, and I thought for sure Shirin would be on board—especially since Will had decided to focus all of his attention on Lindsey that round. But Shirin was not on board lol. She wanted to target Lindsey too and mostly due to an alliance I had formed with both Will and Shirin on OG maus, I ultimately flipped to voting with them.

At this point I definitely wish I hadn’t! Lol I don’t know now if the vote was ever truly directed at you Jay, or if it just seemed that way to me until I flip-flopped or what, but obviously if you or Wendell had gone that night instead of me I would have preferred it! No offense of course, you’re an awesome guy and had *Lindsey* actually gone that night instead of me you and I may have found ourselves working together shortly after, but it’s all good. And fwiw it was never like personal. Was just trying to do anything to stay alive at the time.
That doesn't make sense. Cause I know for sure, I didn't want Jay out at that time. To be frank, I was never targeting him but def was targeting you, lol. I wonder if we were just talking generally about the argument at TC the night before or something? I feel like that would make more sense. That doesn't align at all with my game plan at the time lol. Or maybe it was from Will and it carried over and my name was in the mix. All that stuff was also jumbled up around the Genie vote. Or maybe I just blacked out :oop:
I mean it *does* make sense to me that you may have fed me Jay’s name as a decoy especially if you admit to also targeting me the whole time during this round. Jay was coming to me at the same time telling me that you and Ricard were pushing for me—I just wanted to believe you and Ricard at the time and wanted to work with you both to target another Crete boy. So I really did think it would have been Jay going home if I could have gotten Shirin to go along with that plan.  Perhaps that was not actually the case?? I just remember you and Ricard and even Erika saying that Jay was the vote until I couldn’t get Shirin to flip. And when I couldn’t get Shirin I think Erika flipped too. I assumed that’s when Ricard decided to use his idol on me. Was the truth that you both really were just targeting me the whole round?
 
 
Maybe he was a decoy name? It just doesn't sound right based on where I was out in the game. I wish we could go back and read the chats lol.

Not the 3rd degree:oop:​​​​​

You can read a lot more about this in my confessionals but you were the biggest threat for me from OG Maus. We never got off on the right foot. I wanted you out sooner rather than later. I went on a revenge tour (coined from Taylor lol) and basically started ripping apart the couples after Hali left. It started with Dom/Jacob, then Jessica, then Genie. I tried to split everyone up. You and Shirin we're the last real duo in my way and I thought if I could just get you out Shirin would come to my side as a number (I was very wrong). 

 

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Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:02:25 pm
Tyler wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:19:13 am
Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:31:32 am
That doesn't make sense. Cause I know for sure, I didn't want Jay out at that time. To be frank, I was never targeting him but def was targeting you, lol. I wonder if we were just talking generally about the argument at TC the night before or something? I feel like that would make more sense. That doesn't align at all with my game plan at the time lol. Or maybe it was from Will and it carried over and my name was in the mix. All that stuff was also jumbled up around the Genie vote. Or maybe I just blacked out :oop:
I mean it *does* make sense to me that you may have fed me Jay’s name as a decoy especially if you admit to also targeting me the whole time during this round. Jay was coming to me at the same time telling me that you and Ricard were pushing for me—I just wanted to believe you and Ricard at the time and wanted to work with you both to target another Crete boy. So I really did think it would have been Jay going home if I could have gotten Shirin to go along with that plan.  Perhaps that was not actually the case?? I just remember you and Ricard and even Erika saying that Jay was the vote until I couldn’t get Shirin to flip. And when I couldn’t get Shirin I think Erika flipped too. I assumed that’s when Ricard decided to use his idol on me. Was the truth that you both really were just targeting me the whole round?
 
Maybe he was a decoy name? It just doesn't sound right based on where I was out in the game. I wish we could go back and read the chats lol.

Not the 3rd degree:oop:​​​​​

You can read a lot more about this in my confessionals but you were the biggest threat for me from OG Maus. We never got off on the right foot. I wanted you out sooner rather than later. I went on a revenge tour (coined from Taylor lol) and basically started ripping apart the couples after Hali left. It started with Dom/Jacob, then Jessica, then Genie. I tried to split everyone up. You and Shirin we're the last real duo in my way and I thought if I could just get you out Shirin would come to my side as a number (I was very wrong). 

Lol, yeah there will be a lot of going back and reading things over for sure. Fwiw, you were my biggest threat from OG Maus too. I agree we never got off on the right foot and that is one of those things I look forward to figuring out why lol. Even by the time we merged I felt the same way--I didn't trust you--and it wasn't until you voted for Jessica and then Genie that I actually started to believe that we might be able to work together. That and Will's constant reassurance that you wanted to as well. And then when you idoled out Taylor I was pretty much on board to join your side for good, even with you and Will supposedly being at odds. I was really so disappointed that Shirin felt differently about that. It's kinda nuts that you and I have both now admitted that Shirin couldn't be controlled like we may have assumed or wanted. But it's also kinda nuts that you tried to break us up instead of bring us into your fold for *not* voting out Hali. :eyeroll: Especially when Wendell Bret and Erika all did...
 

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Tyler wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:16:30 pm
Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:02:25 pm
Tyler wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:19:13 am
I mean it *does* make sense to me that you may have fed me Jay’s name as a decoy especially if you admit to also targeting me the whole time during this round. Jay was coming to me at the same time telling me that you and Ricard were pushing for me—I just wanted to believe you and Ricard at the time and wanted to work with you both to target another Crete boy. So I really did think it would have been Jay going home if I could have gotten Shirin to go along with that plan.  Perhaps that was not actually the case?? I just remember you and Ricard and even Erika saying that Jay was the vote until I couldn’t get Shirin to flip. And when I couldn’t get Shirin I think Erika flipped too. I assumed that’s when Ricard decided to use his idol on me. Was the truth that you both really were just targeting me the whole round?
 
Maybe he was a decoy name? It just doesn't sound right based on where I was out in the game. I wish we could go back and read the chats lol.

Not the 3rd degree:oop:​​​​​

You can read a lot more about this in my confessionals but you were the biggest threat for me from OG Maus. We never got off on the right foot. I wanted you out sooner rather than later. I went on a revenge tour (coined from Taylor lol) and basically started ripping apart the couples after Hali left. It started with Dom/Jacob, then Jessica, then Genie. I tried to split everyone up. You and Shirin we're the last real duo in my way and I thought if I could just get you out Shirin would come to my side as a number (I was very wrong). 

Lol, yeah there will be a lot of going back and reading things over for sure. Fwiw, you were my biggest threat from OG Maus too. I agree we never got off on the right foot and that is one of those things I look forward to figuring out why lol. Even by the time we merged I felt the same way--I didn't trust you--and it wasn't until you voted for Jessica and then Genie that I actually started to believe that we might be able to work together. That and Will's constant reassurance that you wanted to as well. And then when you idoled out Taylor I was pretty much on board to join your side for good, even with you and Will supposedly being at odds. I was really so disappointed that Shirin felt differently about that. It's kinda nuts that you and I have both now admitted that Shirin couldn't be controlled like we may have assumed or wanted. But it's also kinda nuts that you tried to break us up instead of bring us into your fold for *not* voting out Hali. :eyeroll: Especially when Wendell Bret and Erika all did...
 
 
 
 
 
 
There's a lot more to it. My confessionals break everything down pretty well I think.

​​​​Shirin thing is weird bc Hali got put on the swap with you guys and when we caught up she told me that she was starting to build more trust especially with Shirin, and you. So when we finally met up at merge after Hali left I tried like hell to get in with you both and I thought for sure after we voted together a couple times, something was happening. The Will thing is also complicated bc I knew he was closer to you too but he also thought you were his biggest threat, lmao. So he also wanted to go for you at merge. It was after him and I had that weird spat with my idol and he went back to you, you and Shirin and him all got back together and I knew you guys were done with me. It also annoyed me how he threw my name out to you saying I was the only one targeting you when he was too. So idk lots of shit lol.

Bret and Wendell just seemed like non-factors to me at the time. Jessica and Taylor seemed more deliberate, like first voting with you all and then flipping on Carolyn and Hali. Idk dude, like it's a little messy to explain lol.

But yeah, that's kinda where my head was at.
 

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Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:31:22 pm
Tyler wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:16:30 pm
Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:02:25 pm
 
Maybe he was a decoy name? It just doesn't sound right based on where I was out in the game. I wish we could go back and read the chats lol.

Not the 3rd degree:oop:​​​​​

You can read a lot more about this in my confessionals but you were the biggest threat for me from OG Maus. We never got off on the right foot. I wanted you out sooner rather than later. I went on a revenge tour (coined from Taylor lol) and basically started ripping apart the couples after Hali left. It started with Dom/Jacob, then Jessica, then Genie. I tried to split everyone up. You and Shirin we're the last real duo in my way and I thought if I could just get you out Shirin would come to my side as a number (I was very wrong). 

Lol, yeah there will be a lot of going back and reading things over for sure. Fwiw, you were my biggest threat from OG Maus too. I agree we never got off on the right foot and that is one of those things I look forward to figuring out why lol. Even by the time we merged I felt the same way--I didn't trust you--and it wasn't until you voted for Jessica and then Genie that I actually started to believe that we might be able to work together. That and Will's constant reassurance that you wanted to as well. And then when you idoled out Taylor I was pretty much on board to join your side for good, even with you and Will supposedly being at odds. I was really so disappointed that Shirin felt differently about that. It's kinda nuts that you and I have both now admitted that Shirin couldn't be controlled like we may have assumed or wanted. But it's also kinda nuts that you tried to break us up instead of bring us into your fold for *not* voting out Hali. :eyeroll: Especially when Wendell Bret and Erika all did...
 
 
 
There's a lot more to it. My confessionals break everything down pretty well I think.

​​​​Shirin thing is weird bc Hali got put on the swap with you guys and when we caught up she told me that she was starting to build more trust especially with Shirin, and you. So when we finally met up at merge after Hali left I tried like hell to get in with you both and I thought for sure after we voted together a couple times, something was happening. The Will thing is also complicated bc I knew he was closer to you too but he also thought you were his biggest threat, lmao. So he also wanted to go for you at merge. It was after him and I had that weird spat with my idol and he went back to you, you and Shirin and him all got back together and I knew you guys were done with me. It also annoyed me how he threw my name out to you saying I was the only one targeting you when he was too. So idk lots of shit lol.

Bret and Wendell just seemed like non-factors to me at the time. Jessica and Taylor seemed more deliberate, like first voting with you all and then flipping on Carolyn and Hali. Idk dude, like it's a little messy to explain lol.

But yeah, that's kinda where my head was at.
I do apologize for that because I won't lie your mistrust for him premerge made me question him ALOT MORE... but after speaking to Tyler and Shirin especially my views amd perception of what happened to Hali had changed because I to was shocked Carolyn went and then Hali so I assumed Tyler had joined the guys of Crete.... but Shirin and I were super close since Day1 so I was pretty shocked she flipped on me in the revote.... because before there was ever a Duo of Lindsey and will or #TeamRudy.... there was the NINJAS 🥷 🙄 ME AND SHIRIN 😈🥱🥴😄🤣..... But yea soo I was pretty shocked but idk I sucked at this game I realise now BAD AF 🤣🥴🥴
 

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Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:31:22 pm
Tyler wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:16:30 pm
Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:02:25 pm
 
Maybe he was a decoy name? It just doesn't sound right based on where I was out in the game. I wish we could go back and read the chats lol.

Not the 3rd degree:oop:​​​​​

You can read a lot more about this in my confessionals but you were the biggest threat for me from OG Maus. We never got off on the right foot. I wanted you out sooner rather than later. I went on a revenge tour (coined from Taylor lol) and basically started ripping apart the couples after Hali left. It started with Dom/Jacob, then Jessica, then Genie. I tried to split everyone up. You and Shirin we're the last real duo in my way and I thought if I could just get you out Shirin would come to my side as a number (I was very wrong). 

Lol, yeah there will be a lot of going back and reading things over for sure. Fwiw, you were my biggest threat from OG Maus too. I agree we never got off on the right foot and that is one of those things I look forward to figuring out why lol. Even by the time we merged I felt the same way--I didn't trust you--and it wasn't until you voted for Jessica and then Genie that I actually started to believe that we might be able to work together. That and Will's constant reassurance that you wanted to as well. And then when you idoled out Taylor I was pretty much on board to join your side for good, even with you and Will supposedly being at odds. I was really so disappointed that Shirin felt differently about that. It's kinda nuts that you and I have both now admitted that Shirin couldn't be controlled like we may have assumed or wanted. But it's also kinda nuts that you tried to break us up instead of bring us into your fold for *not* voting out Hali. :eyeroll: Especially when Wendell Bret and Erika all did...
 
 
 
There's a lot more to it. My confessionals break everything down pretty well I think.

​​​​Shirin thing is weird bc Hali got put on the swap with you guys and when we caught up she told me that she was starting to build more trust especially with Shirin, and you. So when we finally met up at merge after Hali left I tried like hell to get in with you both and I thought for sure after we voted together a couple times, something was happening. The Will thing is also complicated bc I knew he was closer to you too but he also thought you were his biggest threat, lmao. So he also wanted to go for you at merge. It was after him and I had that weird spat with my idol and he went back to you, you and Shirin and him all got back together and I knew you guys were done with me. It also annoyed me how he threw my name out to you saying I was the only one targeting you when he was too. So idk lots of shit lol.

Bret and Wendell just seemed like non-factors to me at the time. Jessica and Taylor seemed more deliberate, like first voting with you all and then flipping on Carolyn and Hali. Idk dude, like it's a little messy to explain lol.

But yeah, that's kinda where my head was at.
Yes 100% can confirm that when we swapped to Kameiros 2.0 that Hali and I finally started to trust each other more (although thankfully we never had to vote cuz I was also building alliances with Genie and Ricard). And when we were all on Zakros 3.0 together, I was working pretty closely with Hali. *I* was even completely blindsided by the Crete team at the time who all told me Shirin was the one who was leaving the night Hali left. I voted for Erika that night for the second time. And it was literally after that vote that Erika immediately came to me and was like "no hard feelings" and that was the start of us talking about shifting the vote to Jessica after that. She had told me and Shirin that had we lost again she was going to vote with us for Jessica while the Crete team split their votes on Shirin and I. Had that been a reality it would have been a 3-2-2 vote. Just pointing that out as another feather for Erika that she *was* maneuvering on Jess the minute Hali was gone.  

And it's interesting to hear that you and were both potentially on the same page after voting together a couple times like you said... I mean, probably not, but it's a nice thought haha. I *believed* that hitching my cart to your wagon was a good game move for me and it *seemed* like you thought so too at one point. But damn if your fight with Will wasn't at like the worst time :crine: But it's allllll good. It's a messy, complicated game. :smile: 


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My vote is pretty much locked in the two likely scenarios. Unless I hear something shocking...which I doubt. Probably be my last post unless yall need something from me. It was a good game yall. Sorry if I hurt or did anything to annoy you. I had fun and I have no regrets (except maybe not telling jay to vote wendell) genie we need to meet up later give me a list of anime that I need to watch ;)
 

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Will wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:23:44 pm
Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:31:22 pm
Tyler wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:16:30 pm
Lol, yeah there will be a lot of going back and reading things over for sure. Fwiw, you were my biggest threat from OG Maus too. I agree we never got off on the right foot and that is one of those things I look forward to figuring out why lol. Even by the time we merged I felt the same way--I didn't trust you--and it wasn't until you voted for Jessica and then Genie that I actually started to believe that we might be able to work together. That and Will's constant reassurance that you wanted to as well. And then when you idoled out Taylor I was pretty much on board to join your side for good, even with you and Will supposedly being at odds. I was really so disappointed that Shirin felt differently about that. It's kinda nuts that you and I have both now admitted that Shirin couldn't be controlled like we may have assumed or wanted. But it's also kinda nuts that you tried to break us up instead of bring us into your fold for *not* voting out Hali. :eyeroll: Especially when Wendell Bret and Erika all did...
 
 
 
There's a lot more to it. My confessionals break everything down pretty well I think.

​​​​Shirin thing is weird bc Hali got put on the swap with you guys and when we caught up she told me that she was starting to build more trust especially with Shirin, and you. So when we finally met up at merge after Hali left I tried like hell to get in with you both and I thought for sure after we voted together a couple times, something was happening. The Will thing is also complicated bc I knew he was closer to you too but he also thought you were his biggest threat, lmao. So he also wanted to go for you at merge. It was after him and I had that weird spat with my idol and he went back to you, you and Shirin and him all got back together and I knew you guys were done with me. It also annoyed me how he threw my name out to you saying I was the only one targeting you when he was too. So idk lots of shit lol.

Bret and Wendell just seemed like non-factors to me at the time. Jessica and Taylor seemed more deliberate, like first voting with you all and then flipping on Carolyn and Hali. Idk dude, like it's a little messy to explain lol.

But yeah, that's kinda where my head was at.
I do apologize for that because I won't lie your mistrust for him premerge made me question him ALOT MORE... but after speaking to Tyler and Shirin especially my views amd perception of what happened to Hali had changed because I to was shocked Carolyn went and then Hali so I assumed Tyler had joined the guys of Crete.... but Shirin and I were super close since Day1 so I was pretty shocked she flipped on me in the revote.... because before there was ever a Duo of Lindsey and will or #TeamRudy.... there was the NINJAS 🥷 🙄 ME AND SHIRIN 😈🥱🥴😄🤣..... But yea soo I was pretty shocked but idk I sucked at this game I realise now BAD AF 🤣🥴🥴
Will dude... People can say what they want about us but we pulled off some pretty sick moves together, ya know. A lot of things I def couldn't have done without you.
 

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Will wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:23:44 pm
Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:31:22 pm
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Lol, yeah there will be a lot of going back and reading things over for sure. Fwiw, you were my biggest threat from OG Maus too. I agree we never got off on the right foot and that is one of those things I look forward to figuring out why lol. Even by the time we merged I felt the same way--I didn't trust you--and it wasn't until you voted for Jessica and then Genie that I actually started to believe that we might be able to work together. That and Will's constant reassurance that you wanted to as well. And then when you idoled out Taylor I was pretty much on board to join your side for good, even with you and Will supposedly being at odds. I was really so disappointed that Shirin felt differently about that. It's kinda nuts that you and I have both now admitted that Shirin couldn't be controlled like we may have assumed or wanted. But it's also kinda nuts that you tried to break us up instead of bring us into your fold for *not* voting out Hali. :eyeroll: Especially when Wendell Bret and Erika all did...
 
 
 
There's a lot more to it. My confessionals break everything down pretty well I think.

​​​​Shirin thing is weird bc Hali got put on the swap with you guys and when we caught up she told me that she was starting to build more trust especially with Shirin, and you. So when we finally met up at merge after Hali left I tried like hell to get in with you both and I thought for sure after we voted together a couple times, something was happening. The Will thing is also complicated bc I knew he was closer to you too but he also thought you were his biggest threat, lmao. So he also wanted to go for you at merge. It was after him and I had that weird spat with my idol and he went back to you, you and Shirin and him all got back together and I knew you guys were done with me. It also annoyed me how he threw my name out to you saying I was the only one targeting you when he was too. So idk lots of shit lol.

Bret and Wendell just seemed like non-factors to me at the time. Jessica and Taylor seemed more deliberate, like first voting with you all and then flipping on Carolyn and Hali. Idk dude, like it's a little messy to explain lol.

But yeah, that's kinda where my head was at.
I do apologize for that because I won't lie your mistrust for him premerge made me question him ALOT MORE... but after speaking to Tyler and Shirin especially my views amd perception of what happened to Hali had changed because I to was shocked Carolyn went and then Hali so I assumed Tyler had joined the guys of Crete.... but Shirin and I were super close since Day1 so I was pretty shocked she flipped on me in the revote.... because before there was ever a Duo of Lindsey and will or #TeamRudy.... there was the NINJAS 🥷 🙄 ME AND SHIRIN 😈🥱🥴😄🤣..... But yea soo I was pretty shocked but idk I sucked at this game I realise now BAD AF 🤣🥴🥴
 
 
Hmm, well you kept up appearances well, Will haha. I probably should have mistrusted you more overall but I just didn't. I was pretty convinced that you and me were rock solid. And yeah, believe me I was just as shocked as you about the Carolyn and Hali votes. Carolyn first because she and I had been on the same tribe the *entire* game up to that point. She was *very* difficult to communicate with simply because she was not online often or for long, but we defo trusted each other the most at that point. I wanted very much to keep Carolyn and Hali (and Shirin) in the game as long as possible which is why I was so disappointed by the Taylor/Jess flip. It made perfect sense for them I won't deny, but it put me in a rough spot. And tbh, I *was* trying like crazy to build bonds with all of the Crete boys to survive that tribe. And I believe I did with Wendell and Taylor. We even discussed forming a secret alliance of 4 reps from each OG tribe: Wendell, Taylor, me, and Erika, thinking that everyone was so focused on the tribal lines or even the game lines, that an alliance like that would *always* know what was happening. I *still* think it was a great idea if we actually all trusted each other enough to pull it off. Unfortunately we didn't. And we could also not agree on who to target. Lol. Perhaps because I was unwilling to say we should target Shirin first. Anyway, just spilling all the tea now. Why not? But yeah, one of the things I have woulda coulda shoulda'd for awhile now is whether or not aligning with the Crete boys officially on Zakros would have done anything more for my game. That was always within the realm of possibility, at least for me. 

Btw, weren't all 3 of us the ninjas? Lol I thought we all basically bonded individually and together at the same time. Doesn't matter really, but j/w were you more loyal to Shirin or me? I admit I was more personally loyal to Shirin but you were literally both my top allies, at least in my mind. My OGs. 
 

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Tyler wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:27:31 pm
Will wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:23:44 pm
Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:31:22 pm
 
 
 
There's a lot more to it. My confessionals break everything down pretty well I think.

​​​​Shirin thing is weird bc Hali got put on the swap with you guys and when we caught up she told me that she was starting to build more trust especially with Shirin, and you. So when we finally met up at merge after Hali left I tried like hell to get in with you both and I thought for sure after we voted together a couple times, something was happening. The Will thing is also complicated bc I knew he was closer to you too but he also thought you were his biggest threat, lmao. So he also wanted to go for you at merge. It was after him and I had that weird spat with my idol and he went back to you, you and Shirin and him all got back together and I knew you guys were done with me. It also annoyed me how he threw my name out to you saying I was the only one targeting you when he was too. So idk lots of shit lol.

Bret and Wendell just seemed like non-factors to me at the time. Jessica and Taylor seemed more deliberate, like first voting with you all and then flipping on Carolyn and Hali. Idk dude, like it's a little messy to explain lol.

But yeah, that's kinda where my head was at.
I do apologize for that because I won't lie your mistrust for him premerge made me question him ALOT MORE... but after speaking to Tyler and Shirin especially my views amd perception of what happened to Hali had changed because I to was shocked Carolyn went and then Hali so I assumed Tyler had joined the guys of Crete.... but Shirin and I were super close since Day1 so I was pretty shocked she flipped on me in the revote.... because before there was ever a Duo of Lindsey and will or #TeamRudy.... there was the NINJAS 🥷 🙄 ME AND SHIRIN 😈🥱🥴😄🤣..... But yea soo I was pretty shocked but idk I sucked at this game I realise now BAD AF 🤣🥴🥴
 
Hmm, well you kept up appearances well, Will haha. I probably should have mistrusted you more overall but I just didn't. I was pretty convinced that you and me were rock solid. And yeah, believe me I was just as shocked as you about the Carolyn and Hali votes. Carolyn first because she and I had been on the same tribe the *entire* game up to that point. She was *very* difficult to communicate with simply because she was not online often or for long, but we defo trusted each other the most at that point. I wanted very much to keep Carolyn and Hali (and Shirin) in the game as long as possible which is why I was so disappointed by the Taylor/Jess flip. It made perfect sense for them I won't deny, but it put me in a rough spot. And tbh, I *was* trying like crazy to build bonds with all of the Crete boys to survive that tribe. And I believe I did with Wendell and Taylor. We even discussed forming a secret alliance of 4 reps from each OG tribe: Wendell, Taylor, me, and Erika, thinking that everyone was so focused on the tribal lines or even the game lines, that an alliance like that would *always* know what was happening. I *still* think it was a great idea if we actually all trusted each other enough to pull it off. Unfortunately we didn't. And we could also not agree on who to target. Lol. Perhaps because I was unwilling to say we should target Shirin first. Anyway, just spilling all the tea now. Why not? But yeah, one of the things I have woulda coulda shoulda'd for awhile now is whether or not aligning with the Crete boys officially on Zakros would have done anything more for my game. That was always within the realm of possibility, at least for me. 

Btw, weren't all 3 of us the ninjas? Lol I thought we all basically bonded individually and together at the same time. Doesn't matter really, but j/w were you more loyal to Shirin or me? I admit I was more personally loyal to Shirin but you were literally both my top allies, at least in my mind. My OGs. 
I was always loyal to you until I meet Dom.... but definitely the line was very thin after the merge until when Taylor was idoled out then I was all in on you and Shirin again.... and after you went I was all in on Jacob and Wendell soo it kinda stung because I was never voting Wendell out until final 4 or 5 at earliest and Had every intention on going to the end with Jacob
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Tyler wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:27:31 pm
Will wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:23:44 pm
Lindsey wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:31:22 pm
 
 
 
There's a lot more to it. My confessionals break everything down pretty well I think.

​​​​Shirin thing is weird bc Hali got put on the swap with you guys and when we caught up she told me that she was starting to build more trust especially with Shirin, and you. So when we finally met up at merge after Hali left I tried like hell to get in with you both and I thought for sure after we voted together a couple times, something was happening. The Will thing is also complicated bc I knew he was closer to you too but he also thought you were his biggest threat, lmao. So he also wanted to go for you at merge. It was after him and I had that weird spat with my idol and he went back to you, you and Shirin and him all got back together and I knew you guys were done with me. It also annoyed me how he threw my name out to you saying I was the only one targeting you when he was too. So idk lots of shit lol.

Bret and Wendell just seemed like non-factors to me at the time. Jessica and Taylor seemed more deliberate, like first voting with you all and then flipping on Carolyn and Hali. Idk dude, like it's a little messy to explain lol.

But yeah, that's kinda where my head was at.
I do apologize for that because I won't lie your mistrust for him premerge made me question him ALOT MORE... but after speaking to Tyler and Shirin especially my views amd perception of what happened to Hali had changed because I to was shocked Carolyn went and then Hali so I assumed Tyler had joined the guys of Crete.... but Shirin and I were super close since Day1 so I was pretty shocked she flipped on me in the revote.... because before there was ever a Duo of Lindsey and will or #TeamRudy.... there was the NINJAS 🥷 🙄 ME AND SHIRIN 😈🥱🥴😄🤣..... But yea soo I was pretty shocked but idk I sucked at this game I realise now BAD AF 🤣🥴🥴
 
Hmm, well you kept up appearances well, Will haha. I probably should have mistrusted you more overall but I just didn't. I was pretty convinced that you and me were rock solid. And yeah, believe me I was just as shocked as you about the Carolyn and Hali votes. Carolyn first because she and I had been on the same tribe the *entire* game up to that point. She was *very* difficult to communicate with simply because she was not online often or for long, but we defo trusted each other the most at that point. I wanted very much to keep Carolyn and Hali (and Shirin) in the game as long as possible which is why I was so disappointed by the Taylor/Jess flip. It made perfect sense for them I won't deny, but it put me in a rough spot. And tbh, I *was* trying like crazy to build bonds with all of the Crete boys to survive that tribe. And I believe I did with Wendell and Taylor. We even discussed forming a secret alliance of 4 reps from each OG tribe: Wendell, Taylor, me, and Erika, thinking that everyone was so focused on the tribal lines or even the game lines, that an alliance like that would *always* know what was happening. I *still* think it was a great idea if we actually all trusted each other enough to pull it off. Unfortunately we didn't. And we could also not agree on who to target. Lol. Perhaps because I was unwilling to say we should target Shirin first. Anyway, just spilling all the tea now. Why not? But yeah, one of the things I have woulda coulda shoulda'd for awhile now is whether or not aligning with the Crete boys officially on Zakros would have done anything more for my game. That was always within the realm of possibility, at least for me. 

Btw, weren't all 3 of us the ninjas? Lol I thought we all basically bonded individually and together at the same time. Doesn't matter really, but j/w were you more loyal to Shirin or me? I admit I was more personally loyal to Shirin but you were literally both my top allies, at least in my mind. My OGs. 
I can speak a bit more to the Zakros 3.0 game (considering the F4 is all from this tribe). There was a lot of talk on the previous tribes about how many Maus players were still in the game and we knew if there was a merge, we'd all be fucked. At the swap, Jess and I connected with Tyler, Hali and Shirin right away, which was really awesome and in hindsight where I might have fucked up - could have gone into that merge with an ally in Lindsey, instead of an enemy lol.

But I was too tight with Wendell and Jess, so my mission was to get the 3 of us to merge and chip away at Maus.  Since I never could see a world where Jessica and Stephanie could work together, the best chance here was to vote Stephanie out and appear loyal to Tyler and Hali (sorry), and then have the upper hand in the next vote. This was probably where Wendell was the weakest (other then his OG tribe) and presumably at the bottom and I was able to lock him down as a strong ally by assuring him that with Stephanie gone, we could get Crete back together + Erika to start evening up the playing field for the merge.

Carolyn was MIA for the entire Zakros 3.0, which made it SUPER easy for us to just pin it on activity. None of us factored in Jess not voting in time and forcing the 4-4 tie, then Erika went AWF on Hali for targeting Wendell and Jess (which of course Hali said that, she wasn't going to tell Erika that she was the vote). Jess made it back in time for the revote and Carolyn goes home.

The next vote was purely idol paranoia, we figured that IF Tyler had the idol, we needed to give a decoy name. I believe it was Erika that led the charge on Hali from the previous night and she was telling Crete that Hali and Lindsey were too tight. So we told Tyler and Hali that the vote was Shirin and voted the opposite, just in case an idol was played. Wendell and I really wanted this vote to be Tyler, but we gave this vote to Erika to build on that loyalty.

Turns out that didn't work if Erika went running to Tyler immediately after to pin the next vote on Jess.  Now, that could have just been Erika trying to say the right thing, because there was never any talk about splitting the vote if we went back. So as long as we still had Bret (and I felt like I did), it would have been 4-3 for Tyler.  However, we really didn't want to go back to tribal because I felt close to everyone on the tribe at that point.

Tyler - Wendell and I REALLY wanted to make that OGx4 alliance work. He and I really saw the benefit in that alliance, but Erika was so skeptical about it for some reason - which makes no sense, because if she was working with you to flip on Jess, why wasn't she more receptive to it? I just don't understand Erika's game.

Overall, Wendell started Zakros 3.0 off reallllly low and then worked his way up. Erika played the game like she has the entire season... like a chaotic little weasel (in the most loving way possible haha). Shirin existed. Bret was always so confusing.
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Jacob wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:44:21 pm Also wendell wasn't weak on the og tribe he probably was in the best position
So his "weakest" point in the game was at the start of Zakros 3.0 and then his trajectory took off! Either landing him as the fallen angel in #4 or winning the game lol
 

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Also, credit to Erika for targeting Hali and then going to Lindsey and pinning that on Jess and I, who actually both really liked Hali.

Well played, Erika. Well. Played. 😠
 
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